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Kira Deschain
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.08 18:42:00 -
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Hello, I'm looking for some suggestions on how to improve the fittings for my battleships. The purpose is for soloing L4 missions, which I am having a slightly tough time with right now. I do not plan on soloing all L4s but I would like to solo some of them. :) Please take a look and offer constructive criticism. Thanks!
[Tempest]
6x 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I (Depleted Uranium L)
2x 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I (Wrath Cruise Missile)
100MN Afterburner II
Invulnerability Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
2x Tracking Enhancer II
2x Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Large Core Defence Field Purger I
Large Projectile Burst Aerator I
5x Vespa I
5x Warrior I
[Typhoon Fleet Issue]
4x Dual 650mm 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I (Depleted Uranium L)
2x 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I (Wrath Cruise Missile)
2x 'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher (Bloodclaw Light Missile)
Optical Tracking Computer I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
2x Cap Recharger II
Damage Control II
N-Type Explosive Hardener I
N-Type Kinetic Hardener I
Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
2x 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
2x Ballistic Control System II
2x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Anti-Thermic Pump I
5x Berserker I
5x Hornet I
5x Vespa I
[Maelstrom]
8x 1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I (Depleted Uranium L)
100MN Afterburner II
Optical Tracking Computer I
Invulnerability Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
2x Large Shield Extender II
Damage Control II
2x Tracking Enhancer II
2x Gyrostabilizer II
2x Large Core Defence Field Purger I
Large Projectile Locus Coordinator I
2x Berserker I
5x Valkyrie II
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Kira Deschain
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.08 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: Kira Deschain on 08/08/2011 20:13:12
Thanks for the replies. This is absolutely not a troll post, I promise. I simply took what worked on my BCs for L3 missions, i.e. shield tanking via resistances, and applied it to my BSs. It sounds like that was not the correct approach.
mxzf, you are correct sir. I should be active tanking the Mael.
Taron, on which fit am I mixing active and passive tanking? I almost always use DU ammo unless I'm really going rat-specific. I like DU for the multi dmg types and the tracking bonus.
Would you say that my BS fits for L4 missions should always be active tank? Are the Tempest or Typhoon worth keeping or should I sell them?
I checked out that Battleclinic loadout and modified it to what I can fit with my skills. How does this look? The only issue I see with this is the needed cap booster charges, they take up lots of cargo space. How many would I typically use during a L4 mission?
[Maelstrom]
8x 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I (Phased Plasma L)
Optical Tracking Computer I
2x Invulnerability Field II
Explosion Dampening Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II (Cap Booster 800)
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
2x Tracking Enhancer II
3x Gyrostabilizer II
2x Large Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I
Large Projectile Burst Aerator I
2x Berserker I
5x Valkyrie I
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Kira Deschain
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.08 20:56:00 -
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Thanks Maxpie, that makes a lot of sense. You are correct in that I cannot fit T2 large projectiles, LARs, or missile launchers yet. I will play around with your suggestions to see if I can get something worthwhile on my Typhoon, as I would really love to use it as my primary L4 ship. If soloing proves too tough until I skill up for more T2 gear then I guess I'll have to ask for some help in Local. :)
Again, thanks for the constructive criticism and suggestions.
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Kira Deschain
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.08 21:19:00 -
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Thanks Taron, I see what you mean. I saw another fit on Battleclinic for a Mael which used ACs instead of arti. I thought it was weird but decided to give it a try. As you're well aware, it didn't work out so good. Will definitely switch back to arti, as well as switch my BSs to active armor tanking.
Would you say the following is the correct way to look at tanking?
Active = repairers + resistances
Passive = buffer (plates / extenders) + resistances
Also, what did you mean when you said shield extenders do not impact the buffer like they do on cruisers and BCs?
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Kira Deschain
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.08 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: Kira Deschain on 08/08/2011 22:04:21
Thank you for explaining that, I wasn't thinking about the extenders as a % increase over the base value but that makes total sense. I think I have a much better handle on what will work now, as far as fittings go for my battleships. Thanks again guys, been really helpful.
Edit: Was thinking about the cap booster charges. Do you guys just carry enough ammo for the mission and then pack in as many booster charges as possible and then clean-up the mission with a different ship? I have a Noctis for after-mission looting/salvaging so I guess I could just fill up the Mael's cargo hold with ammo and booster charges and dive in.
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Kira Deschain
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.09 14:52:00 -
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Thanks for the additional replies. The info you have all put in here is excellent. I do use EFT and EveHQ but sometimes what looks great in those fittings does not translate well to Eve, so I came here for some advice from the pros. ;)
I know that DCs do not add a lot to an already decent tank but, as mxzf pointed out, that 60% structure resist can be a nice way to CYA. If I cannot fit something else worthwhile I usually drop one on if possible.
There is another thing I am not clear on. For active armor tanking which is more effective, Armor Hardeners or Energized Plating? Are there conditions which would make one better than the other and vice versa? I have probably seen more fits on Battleclinic which use Energized Plating but no clear indication why. Plus most fits on Battleclinic are PvP fits.
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Kira Deschain
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.09 17:43:00 -
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For the Maelstrom, is it always best to fit 8 arti cannons? Now that I have my Mael properly fit for active shield tanking it is slower than molasses on the North Pole so I'm kind of worried about being swarmed by frigates & cruisers. I can control 5 drones but not T2 drones yet, currently working on those skills. So what would be the best option for dealing with the frigates and cruisers in L4s when flying the Maelstrom/Tempest/Typhoon?
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Kira Deschain
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.09 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: Kira Deschain on 09/08/2011 20:16:00
Thanks Kesshi-san, I did not know the DC worked like that but it makes perfect sense.
I have re-worked my Maelstrom fit but I'm still unsure if my drones will be able to handle the frigates & cruisers in L4s. I know the 1200s will eat up BCs and BSs however.
Edit: this fit gives me 47,671 EHP , 508.4 DPS tank ability vs. omni, cap stable at 34.8% with both boosters running, cap stable at 77.5% without boosters, 204 DPS, 2237 volley
[Maelstrom]
8x 1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I (Depleted Uranium L)
Optical Tracking Computer I
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
2x Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II (Cap Booster 800)
'Copasetic' I Particle Field Acceleration
3x Tracking Enhancer II
2x Gyrostabilizer II
2x Large Core Defence Field Purger I
Large Projectile Locus Coordinator I
5x Hornet I
5x Warrior I
5x Valkyrie I
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Kira Deschain
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.09 21:18:00 -
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Thanks mxzf, I had considered exactly what you said; i.e. dropping the two purgers for CCCs. I just felt like I have already spent the ISK on the purgers and didn't want to waste the ISK. I may still make the change, however.
On the Mael, dropping one Invuln for an Explosion Damp. II gives me 601 DPS tank ability vs. Angels. Not too shabby... :)
I always change the hardeners so they are rat-specific, I just put the Invulns in strictly for EveHQ fitting.
I'm not sure about dropping the cap booster, since without it my cap lasts 1m 35s with the shield booster on. Is that really enough for a L4 mission? Without the cap booster I imagine I would have to pulse the shield booster instead of letting it run but still, seems like not enough cap to me.
I have also fixed my Fleet Typhoon fit as well.
[Typhoon Fleet Issue]
5x 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I (Wrath Cruise Missile)
3x 1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I (Titanium Sabot L)
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Optical Tracking Computer I
Heavy Capacitor Booster II (Cap Booster 400)
Cap Recharger II
Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Damage Control II
N-Type Kinetic Hardener I
2x N-Type Explosive Hardener I
N-Type Adaptive Nano Membrane I
2x Ballistic Control System II
Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Nanobot Accelerator I
5x Berserker I
5x Hornet I
5x Vespa I
I put the DCII on the Phoon because I cannot fit an EANM II yet and the DCII gives me more tank than another N-type ANM I.
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